Please do @jacob :)
@Luandro Mind if I use the first image in a talk? :)
Hi Luandro! Check this new feature in lime-app
Distributed libremap via sahred-state :)
this is amazing, very interesting. please continue to post updates.
i want to start my own community mesh some day...
Current status of the mesh right before the workshop. The mesh has been really unstable, so I'll go to Aridi's house to be directly connected to the gateway. @bobhaugen helped do some quick tests, and we think we can make this work.
Has been an intense week with the network, trying to get it to stabilize
Even with the concrete pole, we noticed that the link between Aridi, who's the gateway to the internet, and the hill was unstable. We we put a thicker and much shorter pole at the highest point of Aridi's house, which is what we should have done from the start. With that the connection finally stabilized despite the wind :wind_blowing_face:
The next problem we found was that the hill node was being turned off every now and then, so the problem wasn't one of signal quality alone. Went up the hill to find that the router was turning the wifi off by it self. LibreMesh is going thru major changes in architecture right now, substituting bmx6 with babel, and using shared-state, a sort of gossiping protocols for mesh nodes, so I though it could be a software problem, although none of the other nodes running the same version had this problem. Since we had a spare router, I decided that would be best to change the router itself, so me and Dura went up there to change the a WDR3500 for a WDR4300 :satellite_antenna:
Final challenge had to do with our energy. I had short-circuited the long wire from the house of Felix, a good friend and collaborator to the network, so we had to ask an untrustworthy old guy, who lives right next to our hill node, to use his electricity. The network had been going off everyday, so we found out he was leaving the house and turning the energy off. So Dura, another collaborator to the project, and Aridi went up there and put and isolator making our energy independent from his. So far so good. We've been thinking on a solar setup, but it's still very expensive here in Brasil, so Dura suggested we put a car battery and make it charge with grid-electricity. That way even if electricity goes down for a few hours, the node won't get turned off. Is there a controller for that?
The network has finally stabilized, so I can to back to testing Pirania once again, since I had to turn if off because of a few bugs. With a more mature shared-state hopefully we can get our captive-portal and distributed voucher system to work!
The concrete tower has been erected!
Had a problem with the node in the tower for the first two days, but everything was back to normal after a firmware re-install this morning. It's really windy now, and at seems the connections has stabilized, but I noticed that Aridi's node is unstable due to the wind. So that's one of the next challenges to tackle, but this operation has been an overall success and milestone for our project.
The connections still aren't the best, relying mostly on the 2.4Ghz radio for two important links, which is not ideal, and is slowing the bandwidth down. Ping on the gateway is at around
30ms while in the tower node it's at ~
350ms, varying a lot.
But as long as the internet is stable enough, people will be happy. I'll update all the nodes with some latest updates to
shared-state, and try our captive-portal voucher system once again. If the bugs start happening I'll have to take down the vouchers and put passwords on the routers, until we solve the issues.
We also had an interesting community meeting about our watershed. Such an assembly hasn't happened since the first year I was here, over 5 years ago, when the state wanted to build a sewage system and throw the waste at our river. We succeeded in stopping the project, but the meeting was really a shame, since the topic was forgotten and small personal issues took over the discussions.
I feel a revival in community union is happening, and information was talked about as key element. Although most are aware of the community-network project, they still haven't made the connection to how it could help with that. Let's give time some time.
Should actually be
Time flies too fast for me to keep up with it.
A few weeks ago we had the first gathering in the neighborhood playground. Was really small, with only 3 people representing each of their nodes, a representative of the Quilombola Association, which I invited, me and @Isabela, and one extra women which was interested in the idea.
The community network's governance is still very tied to me and Aridi, so the intention was to let everyone know that they can get involved as much as they would like, and that all decisions should be taken in meetings, that we'll try to have regularly.
Another topic I brought was that we were invited to collaborate on a project to seek funding with the Mocambos Network, whom @befree is a core contributor. While he was here for a couple of days visiting we drew a plan on how to connect Moinho and Vão do Moleque, a very very isolated Quilombola community that they've connected to the internet thru a series os epical links. Everyone here in Moinho was excited about the idea of strengthening their bonds with the other community thru digital communication. Some of the possibilities that came up during the discussion was on trading goods, since they also produce many organic goods; rescuing ancestrality as a few families here are decedents of these other more isolated communities; and building an Quilombola network infrastructure with multiple gateways, making for a more resilient design.
I'm personally completely disconnected from outside news, most specially national government dramas. I believe in community sovereignty, so local political dramas are what matter to me. Lately the Whatsapp neighborhood group, which was usually for people trying to get rides and helping each other with small favors, has been the stage for major political discussions regarding the village.
An USA expat whose been living here for many years, has suddenly decided to take action on his own for things which should be part of the commons, such as our watershed and security of the village. I personally know very little about him, as most of his relations are only with his employees. The only time I met him he tried to get me to work for him. That kind of people scares the shit outta me, wanting to control everyone with the idea of "helping" thru capital flows. One of his employees is known to be the mayor bootlicker, so he has direct contact with the local government.
Long story short, the whole thing is sort of a mess, as only outsiders are part of the discussions, which happens thru writing, and the natives won't take the time to read the long texts; and small favors are lost amid the long discussion streams. The good thing is that we started having local assemblies, which are still kinda segregated amongst small groups, but are slowly uniting into a try community assembly.
It's the perfect opportunity for presenting an alternative digital cipherspace for the discussions to happen. If I just changed the
caps in both Patchwork and Manyverse, they could be a good alternative. The perfect solution, as for indigenous people, would be a sort of walkie-talkie, where verbal communication is the main medium. Imagine small bits of encrypted audio files being shared thru SSB
I finally learned how to build the latest LibreRouter firmware, which comes bundled with Pirania and FirstBootWizard. Unfortunately
shared-state which is responsible for gossiping pieces of data around the mesh nodes still has some bugs when working with Pirania, so the captive-portal has been set off for past weeks. I'll get around to debugging it together with @markitos soon.
The network has been acting very weird lately, and thru my tests I believe the wind may be the cause. So we've started putting up a cement pole to stabilize the hill backbone node. Waiting for a neighbor heal from a cold for us to finish it, pictures soon.
Been a while I last did an update. The past weeks have been pretty exciting for us here in Moinho with the visit of @markitos. Moinho is now the test bed for some of the most awaited softwares in the #communitynetworks scene, that me and Marcos worked full time for over 2 weeks, while rain pored outside.
We've been working on FBW since my last visit to #quintanalibre for the Summit. I've talked a bit about it here, but it's basically the easiest way possible for anyone to get a mesh network started. Basically it scans nearby networks, lets the user choose which one is the network it wants the new router to join or creates a new one. The software then sucks the other routers configurations, and applies a custom name for the new router.
Marcos has taken it far from where I left off several months ago, and so we could put some finishing touches on it now. There are some advanced features we need to work on it, but the basics have been successfully tested.
We've built it as part of the #librerouter project, so it's going to be part of the firmware shipping with it. But it also works any router running #libremesh, as long as it has 5Ghz for now.
This has been my personal most awaited meshing software of all times. A captive-portal solution that works on the mesh has been long overdue, and it seems that my personal need has fueled the development and finally a beta software. Many were involved in building this including Marcos, Guido, Gio, @Nico Pace and @nicoechaniz. I've experimented with nodogsplash before, but it proved to be buggy within mesh networks.
While I last tackled last year, Marcos and Gio (core Retroshare and Libremesh dev) have been working on an amazing solution to share data amongst mesh nodes. With this new shared-state software, and the Pirania-hooks Marcos built for it, people can walk around the village and will have access with their vouchers anywhere where there's network.
A captive-portal has been such as big blocker for me because it seems like the best way to provide discoverability to the local apps I'd like to build using decentralized protocols and also to provide visitors with some relevant information about the village, as drawn in my year old vision for the mesh:
We contracted 3Mbs of bandwidth, which is 3x better then the current 1Mb we shared amongst almost 30 people in the mesh. My initial speed tests have showed 16Mbs download speed I don't expect that it'll stay that high, but it proves that they can deliver such speeds, which means we could provide internet for the whole village over our network.
Providing internet has never been my personal goal for this project, but it's what everyone in the village expects from it, as local content is still something unknown to them. So this is an important step for them, and also because it means the network can finally expand more, as we've been limited by the 1Mb satellite provided us with.
I've had the Rock64 laying around for a long time now, but haven't really put it to use. It was thinking about a community server and the Kayapo project that really got be hyped about working with it again.
I've been starting a bunch of repos such as community-server, community-server-ui and many more for apps that will live in this #community-server-ecosystem.
Guido and Marcos helped me setup ZeroTier and to point a public IPv4 to my community server. With that, anyone who visits moinho.digital will be directed to my local server How cool is that? Another huge advantage with that, is that now the server has become a point of entry to my local network, so Marcos and other devs can
ssh into any of my nodes to help out with maintenance and to check how the beta softwares are running.
I'll spend the next months working on this ecosystem of server/apps for both Moinho and the Kayapo project. So I'll probably write a detailed post later on going more in depth of how it should work and the reasons behind it.
If you are doing Layer 7 QOS this required Deep Packet Inspection and that means more CPU.
I know some communities QOS based on ports which is a bit more CPU friendly.
As @Nico Pace mentioned prioritizing traffic is the best way to do it.
We have definitely thought about it @Christian Bundy, although we're not so sure where we could get a connection from. I'll take a look, our small backbone tower desperately needs some upgrading for it to resist the rainy season.
Do you have any plans to put up your own tower? I've been talking to Florian from Growing Tower and he's been working on a building technique that lets you build strong towers without ladders or cranes. Maybe useful? https://youtu.be/brrANrfcFk4
You need quite a fast device to do realtime QoS for what i've heard @Luandro
Also, when you do priorization, you priorize the requests but not the replies, so it gets complicated.
I never tried doing so, but could make sense to priorize communications (like email, xmpp, whatsapp/telegram/signal, ...), then general http traffic, then the rest of the traffic, and de-priorize non-local torrent, youtube, netflix, etc. ?
Let me know how it works!
That's good to know @Nico Pace.
@sam_uk, I've got a Rock64 laying around exactly for things like that. On the last Community Networks Summit we got together and @gmarcos87 installed pi-hole on his Pi, haven't heard about it since.
Would doing QoS on the routers be a good idea so that the network doesn't get clogged by videos (Youtube, Nextflix)?
Pi hole might still do a bit? https://pi-hole.net/
Because most of the traffic today is TLS tunneled, having caches have become pretty ineffective really
Ah fair enough.. Have you got a squid on the gateway? Might reduce load a bit? http://www.squid-cache.org/
That's what we currently have @sam_uk, but doesn't scale at all.
I assume you've already investigated satellite? https://www.digisat.org/north-south-central-america-satellite-internet
Looked into how to connect to fiber in town, and it seems such thing doesn't exist. Both providers we have bring broadband from about 200Km away thru radio. So our dreams of connecting Moinho to fiber with our own infrastructure aren't possible yet.
The mesh had been on hold for about a month while I travelled. A few days ago things started happening out of a sudden.
First, without any help my neighbor Aridi was able to bring the network back alive. I was pretty surprised and very happy that things are starting to decentralize from my being.
Second, while I was walking back to Moinho I noticed that people were working on a tower that had been up for a while. It was the guys from a new provider that worked with a fiber connection, and they were putting up antennas directed at Moinho, with a clear vision to our backbone node.
They weren't very friendly, specially the boss. Answered a few questions, and didn't like it when I talked about sharing broadband. It's a great opportunity to get a better broadband service, but while talking online with the boss he warned that they would block the service if they found out it was being shared. He has been overall a big ass hole, and hasn't shown any sign of wanting to cooperate with our network.
I got in touch with the #communitynetworks organizations to figure out the situation. Guys from #coolab here in Brasil pointed me to a few legislations and said it's illegal for them to block service. @nicoechaniz also offered me some really good advice, and pointed out that the most sustainable solution would be for us to make our own link to town, and buy fiber directly.
Me and Aridi talked about the possibilities and decided to buy a 10mb residential plan and share it in our network to start off, despite the warning. We also decided to start investigating on what's needed to get our own infrastructure and how to finance it. I was surprised that Aridi suggested #micro-credit as a way, and I think it could work.
This is the current map of our nodes:
We currently have 6 nodes, serving 8 homes with two 1Mb satellite connections, which is terrible quality. With the new broadband service we have the possibility to expand to the whole village but we could have our service blocked for sharing. The legal road would be to buy a dedicated service, which is about 3x the price of the residential plan, and get a license. But I'm still investigating the legislation to understand it well.
I'm thinking on experimenting with some community methods for economic organization even without the proper tech, starting out on WhatsApp groups. That'll buy us time until we can get a proper captive-portal solution working on the mesh, to make the discovery of the applications possible; and to actually conceptualize, design and develop the applications as well.
The first method I'd like to test out is the one shared by @Modante here, on creating and managing a community #timebank with WhatsApp groups. Such experiments should serve to test out the methods, so that we can refine them into #community-first applications.
I remember well when you thought me the relation between gain and the pigtail size on the rooftop with the LibreRouter @gmarcos87, but thanks for the remimder
Unfortunately we only have these 1m long pigtails for now. Hopefully we'll acquire the proper tools to make our own in the future.
Very good bottle recycling. I know there are even those who used 5 litre drums for the routers. I have something to contribute. In the photo I notice that the connection between the antenna and the router is a little long, when even it could be minimal. That can mean an increase in the gain of the signal, you can take out the antenna from the bottom of the box and make a pigtail of 20cm or minimum to connect it to the router.
This year has been by very very far the most rainy of all rainy seasons I've spent here in Moinho. That's great, since there has been a lot of rivers and springs drying out all around the Chapada dos Veadeiros region (I'd guess it's a world phenomenon).
But all this has proven to be a challenge for our network. We're still in the beginning of the rainy season, and we've already lost one router (WDR 3500) in my house because of lightning and three router power supplies around the village due to water on their circuits.
So to counter the power supply problem, my partner in networking and Moinho native, Aridi, created this high-tech gig:
Basically a bottle cut in half, with the power-supply inside, sealed with silicon where the wires go thru. It's been on use for some time and taken a lot of constant rain, and we haven't had a circuited power supply since.
A while ago we installed our retracting pole gig on the hill node, which serves as bridge to most of the village:
It's concreted about 50cm bellow the ground, and is about 3m high. It also shrinks to about 1.5m for maintenance. It's been up for about a month and has been a great success.
With a firm and stable backbone we were able to install one more node in one of the main streets of the village, where a lot of people have shown interest on joining.
With this new installation we have secured nodes in main points of the village, making expansion now easier. But for us to expand we now definitely need a captive-portal solution to control access, and provide a door for community interactions and content, otherwise there's no incentive to join our network for those who already have broadband.
We, from the #libremesh community, have been trying to build our own solution that's more adequate for mesh networks then nodogsplash, which was pitbull and just recently rebranded to piranha. @nicoechaniz and @Nico Pace started working on it, then me and @gmarcos87 tried finishing. We got to a point that it worked pretty good within a node, but didn't work on other nodes in the network. @Hiure who's also very excited to get this working, has been helping us a lot with testing. He went to Europe for the Internet Governance Forum and is now visiting communities such as #freifunk in Germany and Aurea Social in Barcelona. He got some experts to help us out, and found out that we have a problem with the layer 3 software we use in our stack:
bmx. Quick solutions would be to discard layer 3 meshing or to use babel instead. But the Libremesh stack is pretty solidified and I believe such a change isn't so easy to make.
So we've decided to take a few steps back and go back to NoDogSplash in order to begin experimentations. I'll keep working on the same repo, but now on the nodogsplash folder, on scripts to easily setup and administrate the captive-portal and the voucher system. I had most of it working a few months ago, but my installation script has been crashing my network on my last tries. I'll investigate it further with the #coolab and #altermundi gangs and hopefully we'll have something decent working soon enough.
This has been going on for 7 months, and it still hasn't achieved the initial goals of enabling easier on-boarding for local communities. It's a big challenge since most people don't have any connectivity, so the first quest has been for a way of achieving that in a more decentralized/distributed manner, which got me to #mesh-networking and the beautiful work on #communitynetworks around the .
Once people gain access to the internet, the next big challenge is for discovery, as people usually only stay on the Facebook/Google islands. The captive-portal will serve as a door for community content thru client applications running on #distributedtech such as SSB and distributed hash tables; with a single and meaningful purpose for the community as outlined in #open-app-ecosystem; and running on a mesh infrastructure making it resilient even if the internet itself goes down.
We've been trying to solve this last problem of discovery so we can move on to the next stage which is conceptualizing and building these meaningful community apps, and where the real on-boarding of locals from the community and the real fun starts.
The adventure continues...
@Luandro want them pix! But no rush. Take it easy.
Fascinating story. Moinho must be ahead of us in the Ocooch. We had three hundred-year floods in the last 10 years, but you must have at least as much rain every day in the rainy season.
The mesh has been down for the past few weeks. Rainy season started way earlier then expected and our wooden pole setup wasn't handling the winds. So I finally got some iron poles that we cemented to the ground. A heavy rain started the moment we finished pouring the cement, and we never went back there, since my neighbor has been traveling since. I'm hoping that it didn't turn into a total mess and is now well held.
It's been raining a lot, which has held me back a bit, but I feel it's time to get back to the field and re-structure the mesh with the new equipment we got paid by some neighbors who want to get in. This is my new plan based on our resources and points of interest:
The only nodes in operation are Aridi's and Bete's, which are connected to each other, and have been even before the mesh started. I've introduced Aridi before, he's been my helping hand so far, but now he got a steady job outside of Moinho and won't be able to help me as regularly. Luckily Felix, who lives right below the hill back-bone, has been getting pumped about the network and has been helping me more, as he's connection will depend on it. He's the one traveling, but should be arriving any moment, and we'll get back to action.
I've been helping Susi to try and get internet for a while. She moved to a new home, and would very much get into our network and has even paid for her node already. It's a big challenge since she's a bit isolated from the rest of the nodes, but her house is in a point of great interest, because it's the entrance to the village. Leo, who is who introduced and welcomed me to Moinho and also has been helping me build my house, is going to start with a satellite plan. Now I just have to convince them to share with each other, and convince the Hostel to let me put a node to act as a bridge for them.
Eddy's bar seems to be the only home in that street that we see from up the hill. His brother who lives next door, and some of his other neighbors have also shown interest in joining the network. So it would be a perfect point to connect to.
I've been working a lot to get the captive-portal working in order to better manage the whole economics around broadband. But have been hitting on a few problems that I'm trying to figure out with the guys from #altermundi. After we get it working I'll focus back the #open-app-ecosystem as we'll have a point of entry for the ecosystem. I'm eager to get something working with #valueflows and at least a simple #cabal fork that has better UI for group discussions then Whatsapp, which has been a big problem for neighbors who are trying to organize themselves around a water issue in the village.
That's it for today, I hope next post will have pics of the actual nodes being setup and everyone getting connected!
Finally back online after dwelling with electricity
This weeks lesson was on how not to do things. The night I arrived back home I noticed the network was working. I hadn't payed the internet bill hoping I could negotiate it at a lower price, so I got cut off. But with the mesh I could start using my neighbors connection until I managed to pay my bill.
The next morning the network was offline and I was all pumped coming back from the summit and hanging out with all the hacky guys from Alter Mundi and meeting the really awesome guys from #coolab, @Troian and @Hiure (who is who went the Wapichan mesh gig @noffle posted about and I dreamed so much with). So I decided to go up the hill to check the network at the backbone nodes who connect me to the center of the village and also serves a access point to two families who live there. That's when things started going bad.
When I got to a first house, that hadn't visited before and was installed by my neighbor Aridi, I couldn't get any decent read from any AP, so I brought the node down. Next I went to the very top where the backbone nodes are, and I couldn't simply reset them or tell if they were turned on. And so it took me a while to unbox them and see we didn't have power. I took both the routers down, went to the house where power came from and it was badly plugged to the wall
The sun was unusually hot, and it's a long and steep walk to the top. I'm not sure what happened when I got there that I decided to test my electrical skills, which had been just acquired by getting my home's solar setup working. So I chopped off the wires that connect the router's power directly to the house by a 70m cable. Went back down, updated the routers to a new OpenWRT v18 build we're testing, and back up...
The sun was again hot and the walk steep and the routers at a terrible place to work. I rejoined the router's power supply to the cable with a hight fusion tape, and screamed so that they would connect the power to the wall, it seemed to work at first, so I put them back in the box and re-tied them to the wooden pole with wire, really badly as I couldn't take the heat anymore.
When I got back to the home they said it all went
Long story short, just last night I was able to finally go back up to the hill with Aridi and find the terrible short-circuit I had left when joining the wires. We fixed it and everything is back up.
It wasn't in vain. I learned better wire joining after short circuiting my solar setup a few times before getting it right with the help of a friend. And am now losing fear of electricity and starting to respect it.
After the Latin American Community Networks Summit @nicoechaniz invited me to join @gmarcos87 and Santiago (a guy working on building satellites) for a brief hackaton in Quintana. Our goals were to work on software that will be built-in to #librerouter as it's premiere gets closer.
San and Nico were able to compile new Libre Mesh firmwares directly from OpenWRT, which enabled us to build with it's latest versions, and become less dependent on the lime-sdk which has only one maintainer.
In the mean time, me and Marcos were working on the FirstBootWizard which is basically the easiest possible way to start a mesh with a fresh LibreMesh node. It scans around and tries to find other nodes, in case it finds em, the user can select which node in the mesh is wants the new node to copy configs from. In case no nodes are found it gives the user the ability to setup new configs directly from the Lime App, which is a user friendly application that comes bundled with LibreMesh.
After we got the basics of FirstBootWizard working, we worked for my last few hours in Quintana in the captive-portal software Pitbull, which is in the process of being rebranded to Piranha, as it enables a swarm of packet eating nodes. This was probably the most requested software from the community networks that were present at the summit, and as I've mentioned a few times before, it's a must for our mesh in Moinho to scale. It serves a few different purposes:
- Shows a captive-portal to newly connected users, which is necessary for a community to promote local content, and in the case of Moinho, also to promote local cultural spots to visitors in a map
- A voucher system so that neighbors can share cost of bandwidth
- A Quality of Service system with traffic shaping to stop non-payers from sucking all broadband, but still letting those who can't pay have a bit of connectivity
We already had some parts of it working from the last time I was in Quintana. This time, although we did very little work on it, we were able to get a better idea of it's structure and what's missing for it to function as it should. Hopefully we can continue working on it remotely.
With these new softwares the Mesh Kit tutorial I proposed starts to become meaningless, as creating a mesh is becoming very intuitive thru FirstBootWizard and Lime App. So in a very near future starting a mesh will be as easy as downloading the LibreMesh firmware, connecting to your node and going thru a few easy steps to customize the network to your communities needs
Happy meshing everyone
Next step is to lift the Open App Hub from prototype level. This includes getting SSB to work properly with the UI; updating GraphQL and GraphqQL web-socket transport; and building the first apps for the ecosystem: a cabal-chat made for communities and the simplest example of a #valueflows app to get us started with the power of economic apps.
For the past few days I've been observing thru WhatsApp the people in Moinho having serious discussions about the use of our watershed, and it's become a full mess with people taking some opinions as personal attacks. While in the round discussions in the summit, I came to the conclusion that UI's are also political forms of expression. So designing a simple chat app, with a UI/UX that permits proper discussions within a community might help enabling better organizing.
On the airport once again, this time an expected surprise. @nicoechaniz invited me last week for the Community Networks Summit happening on Buenos Aires tomorrow, and for a hackaton in #quintanalibre happening after the event. We'll be working on #librerouter related stuff, hopefully getting the pitbull broadband sharing system working. Much more then that, like my last trip to Quintana I expect that it'll be a life changing experience, and will make the development of our network in Moinho give some quantum leaps.
For the past few weeks, since my last update, I've been working on getting the application seed ready so we can actually start developing some applications for the ecosystem. I abandoned the last repo which used react-native-web and started a new one from scratch using react-native-dom which has been working beautifully for building universal applications. I've also started working on app-hub-desktop for the web apps to run from.
I'm really excited for the development happening around #scuttle-shell since it's really necessary for the ecosystem to work.
I've also started working on the GraphQL plugin for cabal-core so we can use it with the open-app-graphql-server and have an universal chat app, which is the ideal application to start off the ecosystem. Hope to get at least a working prototype in the next few days so we can test it out on the hackaton in Quintana.
Time to get onboard, cheers and love u all
So far so good @DarkDrgn2k, but haven't really started messing with it yet. Soon I hope...
@Luandro How is the Rock64 working for you? You powering it externally?
@Luandro ohhh my goddddd SSB World makes me feel so good to look at.
@Luandro oh yeah that's right, I guess it wouldn't go far across all those people, those GB need to be divided by 25 as well! Down here we get cut down to 1mbps after 15GB of traffic, but still 15mbps in offpeak hours, midnight to 7am.
That's only for the first 15 or 20Gb right @Aran? It lasts about 2 or 3 days, so we don't even count with it. Still that's a lot better then what I'm getting here, R$270,00 for 10Mb for the first 15Gbs and 1Mb after that. Still it's the best we can get here.
@Luandro just saw your super node, very cool! but wondered about the numbers for 25 devices per 1mb satellite connection being R$12/month. We're going through HughsNet down here which is about R$250/month for 15Mbit.
We're finally approaching the vision for the first experiment here in Moinho.
We don't have pitbull at proper working state yet and we're depending on a voucher system in order to scale the network, so I started searching for other solutions. I found a video in Portuguese teaching to setup nodogsplash with Libremesh. I contacted Bruno from coolab and he confirmed that that's the system they have been using on their meshes around Brasil and even pointed me out to a nice little cli they made to administer the voucher system they created called vale, which code-wise seems to be the precursor to pitbull and also to a nice tutorial in Portuguese on how to setup the system.
After following the tutorial a few times and a lot of testing I finally got it working
I put all the resources together into a single project called libre-portal, which contains some code that will eventually go into pitbull and in the beta folder all the scripts I created for automating setting up the nodogsplash + vale system, my fork of the system admin for the vouchers and the code for the captive-portal itself.
The system is already operating on our nodes around the village. We made a rough calculation of about 25 devices per 1mb satellite connection, which seems like a lot of devices, but we expect that they'll rarely be using the network at the same time. With this we can charge R$12,00 per device (about 3 USD) per month. And we can also leave the network open, essential for creating the community applications, which are the end goal.
We can't put large files inside a router, so in order to distribute the open-app-hub and and the community map applications we'll have to host stuff somewhere else within the network. That's exactly why I got the Rock64 as suggested by @DarkDrgn2k many months ago when I was starting to learn about #mesh-networking. And so, voila:
This is The Super Node, a Libremesh router with a computer screwed to it I've spent most of today experimenting on how to serve content over the mini-computer, which opens up a huge array of possibilities.
The next steps is to get scuttlebot and dat running on the mini-computer and thru it publish the messages and the applications for the App Hub to distribute them, which should be with the graphql-server. Since it'll always be online, as soon as people install the App Hub they'll sync with the Rock64 thru local-network discovery and get the content and applications via ssb and dat.
After that, the most fun part: actually building the apps. The first one will probably be for better organizing and controlling broadband sharing. I wanna de-centralize it from myself as much as possible as soon as possible. @bobhaugen and @Lynn Foster have been helping me on how to better understand valueflows and how to apply it with this broadband-sharing organization. It'll be essential as one of the main goals of this whole project is to strengthen economic-resilience for the community, and VF could really help us build and manage our economic circles.
Another app I wanna build is the most essential of all apps: the chat app. I plan on exposing cabal-node over GraphQL and learn from cabal-mobile code. I will automatically connect all users to a certain hash, and have pre-created channels. I chose dat over ssb for chatting because of privacy reasons. Not sure it was a smart choice.
We're getting closer and closer to having the SSB on-boarding process becoming a breeze for the local community here in Moinho. Can't wait to see the first tests of #open-app-ecosystem running in the mesh
@Luandro this is beautiful! <3 <3 <3 <3
Great that you made it easy to showcase the different applications one can use! Especially with #scuttleshell coming about :)
@Luandro wow so shiny!
I've been working on ssb.world design for the past few days. The idea with it is to have a multi-language and easily editable (thru Github) portal to help users get into the verse. This is the first sketch:
I tried using as much SSB art as I could find around while trying to keep the design simple yet cheerful. I'm guessing the drawings were made by @Angelica, is that it? I made SVGs out of them in case someone wants em.
The user flow is quite simple. User gets a very generic overview of what SSB is and who we are. He can then choose to learn more and dive deeper. And finally the in the , the applications, divided in simple categories: mobile, desktop and terminal.
User chooses the application he wants to download, and once clicked he's directed to the application's Getting Started page:
In the app's page we should have tutorials similar to scuttlebutt.nz/getting-started for the application.
What yall think?
I'm also working on the design for the Mesh Kit portal which will have the objective of curating methods and tech for #communitynetworks and #mesh-networking. I'm starting to gather many resources from Commotion Wireless, Altermundi, Libremesh and others. In the end I hope the portal can serve as a guide for:
- Planning and organizing the network with the community
- Building, installing, configuring and upgrading the mesh software
- Finding, building and mounting the network hardware
- Getting started with Open App Ecosystem for the community
Open App Seed
I've also been working on the seed project for making it easy to start creating applications for the Open App Ecosystem. From the 8 OAE principles I gathered, there are a few that can be enforced thru code:
- Interconnected: Plays friendly with the other apps, clear APIs and integrations
As all applications will run as clients, making requests to the App Hub GraphQL server, all the APIs will be easily available to all.
- Quality User interfaces and code we are proud to share with the world
By creating components the users can re-use, we can already start em off with quality UI; and by setting good linting rules we can expect readable code.
- Skinnable Easy for people to rebrand and reassemble
Using styled-components makes theming a breeze and with react-native-rename we can easily rebrand the app.
- Platform Agnostic Designed to support mobile and web interfaces
With React Native and react-native-dom we can easily build universal apps for mobile and web.
- Accessibility Support translations from the start and provide access for people who experience disabilities
By using linting rules for a11y and have a translation framework we make it easy for apps to be accessible.
App Hub Desktop
I've started working on App Hub for desktop. The idea is that it'll stay in the tray doing the same as the mobile version: acting as a server, app store and displaying network information about Dat and SSB. My idea is to have the apps published using ssb-webify so that it can be easily opened thru the tray. I recently tried using it and I'm getting strange behavior:
Published dynamic ssb-web site: undefined (undefined). Any ideas @noffle?
hey @Luandro I'm so glad everything is moving forward. Keep up the good work!
I look forward to working more with you in the LibreRouter ecosystem :)
@Luandro Awesome, and thanks for the great reflections on the outcomes! It seems this grant has achieved plenty and will have great positive impact on your community. I hope this community and others will be able to continue supporting your efforts!
That is such a beautiful view @Luandro . I must make my way down there. :D
Good job @Luandro and what a great view! You'll have no problem connecting all the nodes in the valley.
Here we are trying to survive the winter, everything we have left to do with Ana in the house is making it difficult for us. That leaves me little time to contribute to freelance-portal, ssb, and other projects.
Amazing progress. Lovely pictures, really great seeing real solarpunk communities
Thanks @nicoechaniz, yes we managed to create a support for it, this specific antenna was setup by my neighbor Aridi who is also learning all the networking stuff with me, so he didn't know about it but I did tell him and we're waiting for the next maintenance to re-focus it.
We acquired 4 more of our replica antennas, so we continued with our plan. We first put one additional router at our hill-top base, and connected it thru ethernet with the other router. Then we put one extra antenna pointing at my house 1.33Km away.
At my house we put one mesh node and an antenna pointing at the hill top. The link was a huge success, 100% signal quality. And now we have two satellite broadband gateways (me and Aridi) giving connectivity for 4 different nodes.
With our progress many villagers have shown interesting and are excited about the project. But in order to scale we need a broadband control system such as pitbull so that we can have the captive-portal showing the village map, and for broadband to be controlled at the device level, thru mac addresses. That is out of the scope of this specific grant, and I'll be joining forces with @Nico Pace, @nicoechaniz, @gmarcos87 and others from #cnsig to polish these tools for #communitynetworks.
It's been 4 months since I've giving this grant full dedication, and it has been a dream come true, I can't thank this community enough for this opportunity and I hope I've been of some use to you guys. I've started this project with the below goals, but since I've started I learned quite a bit more, so they will have to change a bit.
1- We organize essential ssb docs, make them easily translatable, and start with Portuguese
I've learned that for now it's a futile goal to translate docs since all developers have to have some English knowledge. So I'll work on ssb.world as a starting point for non-english speaking ssb-users, instead of devs.
2- We create Mesh Kits with scripts and instructions for meshing single-board-computers and Open-WRT compatible routers on at least layer 2, for running ssb applications freely
I've learned that single-board computers aren't the more efficient or cheapest devices for creating networks, so instead I'll aim at creating tutorials (Mesh Kits) using routers with LibreMesh software (which can also run on single-board computers).
3- We create app seed to run on Android phones with the goal of being friendly for new developers using GraphQL and React-Native.
open-app-graphql-server is evolving and it can already provide a scalable ecosystem of plugins for GraphQL types for different protocol APIs. client-seed-mobile has also been evolving nicely and I plan to release a proof-of-concept of the first client apps based on it later this month, hopefully also incorporating some #valueflows APIs.
4- We create an app hub application serving as entry point to the ecosystem of applications and their repositories, for as easy as possible contribution even from non-developers.
Although it has to be tested within our mesh, app-hub-mobile has the basics ready, providing a Play Store-like experience for discovering and distributing the community apps that will be built in the future.
5- We make a social experiment in Moinho implementing the above and document the whole process of setting up the network and trying to include more and more the native quilombola people in the process.
This has been the biggest success, although we'll be depending on software that is out of the scope of this grant (pitbull) in order to have everything working as planned. The whole village is aware of the project, although not everyone fully grasps what it's true goals are, thinking it's just a cheap way to get broadband.
I'll be traveling to visit some caves for the next 10 days, and when I return I plan on finishing the grant during this month of August so that I can start dedicating more time to CNSIG. Hope you've all enjoyed the ride for now. It's not done yet and won't be done after the grant is over
hey @Luandro , In the picture the omni is not in the focus of the parabolic dish... did you manage to create a support structure to set it in the focal point?
Remember you can find the full tutorial for that antenna here:
Congrats on the progress!
It's been a while since we setup the nodes, but haven't got to connecting them as we needed some more directional antennas. Finally we were able to get a bad replication of the parabolic antenna the guys from Quintana gave me and we put it to the test today. And it worked perfectly for our 700 meters link
As suggested by Alter Mundi guys and gals, we found a strategic point, about 50 meters higher then the village center, where we'll use to bridge many places, including my own house.
I'll start taking note of our inventory, but it won't include many smaller things such as cables, poles, etc.
- 2 WDR 3500
- 1 WDR 4300
- 2 parabolic antennas
- 4 pigtails
- 3 enclosures
- 3 WDR 3500
- 1 WDR 3600
- 6 pigtails
- 7 enclosures
Inventory to be acquired
- 6x copied parabolic dishes ($20,00 USD each)
- 10x 1m pigtails ($5,00 USD each)
- 1km of ethernet cable ($100,00 USD)
- 200x ethernet conectors ($16,00 USD)
- 1x Ethernet clipper ($15,00 USD)
In orange are the nodes we've linked today.
In red are some key nodes that we should try to bridge next.
In blue are the paths that we could link by using ethernet cables, as there are houses which are less then 100 meters far.
This is a rough plan of what our next steps should be. @nicoechaniz suggested that links that are less then 100m apart should be made by using ethernet cables. I worry that strikes will cause a router holocaust, as we have much during rainy seasons. Anyone has any experiences with this kind of setup? Another alternative would be to use non-node routers repeating one another, but I'm sure there are down sides to that...